Yep, it's out. Dunno if it's just pyschological, but it seems faster (still probably as slow as crap on my crappy work computer though ). I really need to reinstall, so I can compile Mozilla + Galeon on there.

Adrian

Was that a hint for the big boss to buy you a new machine? ;-)

- wil

Not really. My system works for coding, just that with apps like Mozilla it is a little sluggish. Of course I wouldn't mind a new box .

Adrian

Can you do me a favor and go to http://www.wiredon.net and tell me if the design looks semi-decent with mozilla.

QooQ keeps saying that the text overlaps the tables but it seems ok in IE and NS for me so maybe it is a mac thing but I just need a few people to check.

New Design looks good in i.e.6 - Nice work.
Cheers,
Michael Bray

Thanks.

Im particularly pleased with the simple bit of JS I wrote that removes the right hand table if you switch resolutions to less than 1024x768 :)

It was good in IE and then it screwed up in Netscape due to a table width I'd set in the css so I removed that so the table could stretch and it started working fine in IE and NS, but then QooQ took some screen shots from his mac (with both IE and NS) and it looked a total mess.

Go figure.

It looks just the same as in IE with Mozilla .9.7.

Nice design - a great improvement.

The only niggling thing I've got about it is the main logo - "wiredon web hosting". The text is far too light and doesn't stand out on the background. I think black text on that background would work much better to bold it up a little. Oh, and you should sort out the php and plesk images, they look a bit jaggered like you've stretched them or something.

Cheers

- wil

Yeah, the images are just slightly different sizes but I wanted a uniform size and unfortunately it has squidged them a bit :(

The php image was pretty poor quality to begin with but there aren't any decent ones to choose from here at least:

http://www.php.net/download-logos.php

....Yeah, the title was something i put together fairly quickly and QooQ also said it was a little bland....I started to re-do it yesterday but got side-tracked. Will have a play now.

Oooh...looks like it could be nice, but IE 5 seems to screw it up for me. See Attachment. Very screwed up Not sure if you are just working on it, or if it is generally screwed in IE 5 (5.00.2)

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Interesting attachment :)

Whoops Forgot to attach. Now for some reason when i try to attach it wont let me (exceeds 300kb) I'll see if I can find something on this computer that will let me set it as a jpg or something, and noa a bmp

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How about this one I just mocked up?

- wil

Ok, much better... Have a look at it. I couldnt get the whole page screen-shot cos the page went down about 3 pages worth

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Yeah thanks, I've uploaded it (had to remove the black border though).

The actual quality image quality is still pants though :(

Ah ok, that means it isn't fitting in your screen and just wrapping lines.

What size monitor and resolution do you use?

It is setup to fit properly with 17" and 1024x768 and 800x600 but as I don't have access to a smaller monitor I can't test.

Can you try now Andy and see if it fits properly.

Hi. I can't find out what resolution I'm at (I'm at collage, and that feature is disabled to stop hackers/people messing with the computers). I would guess its 800x600. As for monitor size, I'm using a 15" (14" view). Its still screwed btw. Not quite as bad though. I did have it where there was the top logo, then a pages worth of blank space, then the menu and then the main section; but now it doesn't have the huge white space at the top Getting there.

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Ugh, theres no way im gonna get it to work with a 14" monitor at 800x600 without it looking totally sparse on 19" using 1024x768 or higher

Thats why I do my designs on 800x600 (screw anything lower ). About 60% of my visitors use 800x600, and about 3% are lower than that. Just not really worth the time and effort. Maybe you should just have a cgi script so you can do a check on the resolution and then call something like d=1 or d=2 depending on the screen resolution. Its a long way to do it, but if you wanna keep all of your customers/potential customers it will probably be the best way (unless you can work out some more javascript).

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I know your site is still in development, but don't forget to add the vital keywords and description meta tags I've done it before where I've designed the whole site, then realised I didn't add 'em and had to go through each page again to add them all

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>>I've designed the whole site, then realised I didn't add 'em and had to go through each page again to add them all <<

I guess its a good job I've used includes for menus, css and headers then :)

Thanks for reminding me though.

Im still getting a few people saying the text is overlapping the tables :(

Displays fine in Mozilla (Linux), but your JS doesn't work (it removes the right hand table regardless).

Adrian

>>
but your JS doesn't work (it removes the right hand table regardless).
<<

It does (well did) but I deactivated it so the logos dont show at all due to display problems with smaller monitors.

I like the look of your new site.

I took a look around and tried to check our your demo of the PLESK control panel and got the following error:

Tunnel or SSL Forbidden

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Description: 8443 is not an allowed port for Tunnel or SSL connections

Using IE 6.0.26

I don't know what this means, can someone enlighten me?

I could get it to work using NS. The reason I ask is that I am currently testing a VPS that uses Ensim control panel and I get the same error using IE. I talked to the host's support people and they didn't know. I have logged in using the same version of IE on another machine, so it must be a setting I have but I can't figure it out. I even deleted and reinstalled IE6 on my machine and I still get the same error message.



Regards-
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With netscape at 640x480 on a 15" mon it looks fine.
It just screws up in MIE 5.
Funny, it's usually the other way around.

Bob
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Hmm this is very strange.

For me it looks fine with IE6 and NS6, for a client of mine it shows fine with IE and 800x600 res, for QooQ it craps out on his mac with IE and NS and for you just IE....arghhhhh!

Hi Lem, are you using a proxy server?

You know, I have to admit that I'm not sure. I have a cable modem and that seems to be the only difference between my comp and the others that have been able to access the Ensim control panel using IE.

I don't have a dial-up connection to this computer to test the theory tho.

Off to read the "Help" documents of IE...
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Man you guys are terrible!
It took you 1 post to get off topic, and then a few more to get totally off topic!

Adrian

If you were referring to my post then it was semi-ontopic as it was related to Mozilla

Not cross-browser compatible...

Screen shots: IE5.00.29 / NS4.73
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Buh Bye!

Cheers,
Me

The IE screenshot isnt to do with compatibility...as I mentioned to Andy it is to do with screen resolution and monitor size. You must be using 800x600 on a 15" monitor.

I haven't attempted to get the site to work with anything less than NS6

RedRum,

Really bad idea to make assumptions. Better to ask questions. Like "What monitor size and screen resolution are you using? So, that I can look into this issue."

You are off-base...I am using a 19" monitor and my screen resolution is set at 800X600 (although most of my sites are designed to work even in 640X480, so I do switch screen resolutions quite often, plus I have three PC test machines with variable color schemes, resolutions, and monitor sizes, as well as different versions of software).
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Buh Bye!

Cheers,
Me

Hah, you turned this into "Look at my website" thread...

Adrian

I asked for you to do me a favor but you disappeared....not my fault if others choose to help

One way to increase your hits ;-)

- wil

>>
Remember that the best way to deal with annoying on-line people is to ignore them -- they thrive on making others irate.
<<

I was looking though my access logs and I see people coming from:

http://www.google.com/...eb+hosting+with+perl

No need for a hit boost ;) ...mm well I guess the more the merrier but you get my point.

Great.

- wil

Isn't it just

Mmmm..

"GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.0" 200 0 "-" "FAST-WebCrawler/3.3 (crawler@fast.no; http://fast.no/support.php?c=faqs/crawler)"

"HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "InternetSeer.com"

"GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 7891 "-" "Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)"

Those bots are busy :)


However stuff like this sucks:

"GET /hosting/ HTTP/1.0" 403 278 "-" "EmailSiphon"
"GET /wizard/ HTTP/1.0" 200 7122 "-" "EmailSiphon"
"GET /iperl/ HTTP/1.0" 200 6041 "-" "EmailSiphon"
"GET /favicon/ HTTP/1.0" 404 274 "-" "EmailSiphon"
"GET /clients/ HTTP/1.0" 200 7912 "-" "EmailSiphon"

Regaring the site not working in Netscape 4.73...

I just checked my site stats and Netscape doesn't even make it into the top 15 user-agents list for wiredon.

40.38% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461)
3.95% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)
3.51% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)
3.29% Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:0.9.4) Gec
2.37% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
2.17% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
2.12% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; Q312461)
2.01% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Q312461)
1.84% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98)
1.73% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; Q
1.62% Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)
1.59% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; T312461)
1.53% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
1.50% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)
1.31% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; MSN 2.5; Windows 98; Compa
# http://www.wiredon.net/webstat/

So what happens when the 16th visitor who is using Netscape wanted to buy a 100 dedicated servers off you and $5,000 worth of Perl programming hours? And the little chap fires off an email to you saying - well I liked your site description when I found it on google.com but when I reached it was very unusable and I'm not sure I'd like to invest my money in you anymore.

You'd be gutted.

- wil

Oh god. And you really don't want to see what I see in my browser window from home. 15" monitor with my resolution set to 800x600. I can see the top "wiredon web hosting" text and .... that's it. I have to scroll the whole page length to see anything else. What on earch are you doing? Why don't you just use fixed-width tables to ensure it looks the same at all resolutions?

In fact I'll attach a post for you to see.

{ edit - this was using IE 5 on a Window$ based machine }

- wil

Okay, so you don't care about Netscape users (or at least those using NS 4.X and below), which you have plainly made clear on a number of occassions.

If you are strictly concerned on percentages of web visitors, then close to 20% of your web visitors will not be able to see your site very well, those being IE 5.00.X users.
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Cheers,
Me

>>Why don't you just use fixed-width tables to ensure it looks the same at all resolutions?<<

Because it doesn't use tables.

>>In fact I'll attach a post for you to see. <<

Why edit your post from your original comment?

Should I find that picture of yourself you posted a while back?...then we could have a real laugh .

>>
If you are strictly concerned on percentages of web visitors, then close to 20% of your web visitors will not be able to see your site very well, those being IE 5.00.X users.
<<

I've already had IE5 users confirm they can see it so something strange is going on.

I'm about to download IE5 and see for myself.

Then convert them to tables, then.


Doesn't bother me. If you need a copy I can send you one.

- wil

LOL! Very funny. ;)
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Buh Bye!

Cheers,
Me

Edit: I counted to 10 and thought better.

RedRum,

1) If you think I am trying to get your goat, I am not. I am providing you legitimate feedback about your site, which you have elicited in this thread.

2) I was joking with Wil, and I have right to do that. It wasn't meant to get a rise out of you.

3) The fact of the matter is that you probably should wait to promote your web site until it is more usable with a wider range of browsers. Just some advice. Take it or leave it.

Adios!
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Buh Bye!

Cheers,
Me

Next time I make a joke at your expense and you fly off the handle I'll remind you of that comment.

Anyhow thanks for your comments Im not interested in an argument. Obviously I need to make some alterations to the site, but that was the purpose of my original post....to get feedback not juvenile criticizm (im not referring to you).

Fine...and I would hope that you would attempt to try to take your own advice and not do the same (by "flying off the handle", which many times you've misintrepreted my responses, but that is a completely off-topic issue). But as you have proven in this thread, that is something that you also need to work on.

Adios!
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Buh Bye!

Cheers,
Me

Well I still haven't learned my lesson of keeping out of threads like this.

>>But as you have proven in this thread, that is something that you also need to work on. <<

Coming from you that is the most out of place comment...in eternity.

Throughout this thread I have stayed fairly relaxed even after giving yourself and Wil a great opportunity to hurl abuse at me about my site.

Come on, lets fool ourselves thinking it was genuine advice and help with comments like "Heres a screen shot for a laugh"

The only slightly out of line post I made was about Wils picture and that was out of anger about his earlier post.

I mean, come on, all Ive posted have been messages thanking people for comments on my site and some user-agent statistics etc....if you consider that to be a behavioural problem then that's worrying.

Now, I _was_ being calm earlier but as usual youself and Wil have pushed me over the edge. I can't take your crap and shouldn't have to. If you want to help me with my site design then I'd be grateful for comments such as "Hi Paul, there seems to be a dispaly problem with 15" monitor at 800x600 res" or something along those lines...I don't need smarmy comments along with with the screen shots.

This _IS_ the last post I'll be making to yourself and Wil....you've brought me nothing but arguments......it shouldn't have to get this drastic but I'd prefer to keep a semi-decent reputation and have to ignore you both than be brought down to your level and be perceived as an argumentative twit.

RedRum,

There you go again...and who is flying off the handle??

I was simply trying to provide you helpful advice about your new web site design, which you have been reluctant to receive (like making assumptions of what technologies people are using and being closed minded about comments made about your site).

Again, my intention was not to get your goat. And again, I would ask that you take your own advice. Look at your comments. Like when I illustrated that your site was not cross-browser compliant, you went ahead and defended yourself rather than eliciting more feedback like what size of monitor and screen resolution I am using.

Paul, all I am asking is that you stop being self-righteous and take the time to listen to your own advice, like that trolling article you posted. In the past, yes, I admit, there were times that I tried to get your goat, but in this thread and other recent threads, I am genuinely trying to help you, which I am leary about doing in the future.

How about taking criticism for what it's worth? It is not meant to be offensive or abusive, it is simply pointing out areas of improvements, which we all have...none of us are G-ds and G-d him or her self sure ain't perfect either, because if he or she was, September 11th and many other terrible days would've never happened.

Paul, take a deep breath once in awhile...

I am attaching your original comments to provide a context for my reply since as history as shown, you typically edit your posts quite quickly...

Adios, RedRum!
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Buh Bye!

Cheers,
Me

Kind of a small changelog don't you think? I was expecting more...

http://www.mozilla.org/...es/mozilla0.9.8/#new

I'm closing this thread now for obvious reasons. =)

Cheers,

Alex
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