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Dec 28, 2004, 1:54 AM

Andy

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Dec 28, 2004, 1:54 AM

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Hackers - How to stop them?

Hi guys,

Hoping for a bit of advice here :)

Basically, I've got some prat, who thinks its clever to DDOS our server (cost over £2,000 for the last attack).

We've moved server's now (to GT <G>), but I really wanna stop this guy in his tracks.

He's using the following IP address 155.245.35.208, which doesn't seem to resolve to anyone.

Does anyone have a clue as-to how I can look up this IP address, to find out his ISP? I just wanna give them a call... and also see if they can pass on more details, which in turn, we can pass back to the police... and hopefully get them to sort it out from there.

The forum he has been hacking is not illegal, or even adult content based (its just a community for students). I just think its payback time for him now... so I'm just looking for options =)

TIA

Andy (mod)
andy@ultranerds.co.uk

Dec 28, 2004, 2:44 AM

Dinky

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Dec 28, 2004, 2:44 AM

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Andy,
http://www.ripe.net/...amp;do_search=Search shows it register to the University of Essex... Could be anyone...

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Dec 28, 2004, 6:03 AM

Andy

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Dec 28, 2004, 6:03 AM

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Yeah, I managed to work that out earlier. I sent an email to their technical contact, and am awaiting a reply. Lets hope they want to take some action .. or it may be something for the police Unimpressed

Oh, and we have a picture of him (stupid idiot uploaded it on our forum, as his avatar <G>) .... so hopefully with a bit of co-operation with Essex Uni, we shoud have this sorted pretty soon :)

Cheers

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Dec 28, 2004, 8:33 AM

Watts

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Dec 28, 2004, 8:33 AM

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Check out Gibson Research - this guy had a similar problem and has a really good story about it on his website. His name is Steve Gibson and he does the Zone Alarm stuff if I'm not mistaken.

Dec 28, 2004, 10:48 AM

dan

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Dec 28, 2004, 10:48 AM

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Andy,

Sorry to hear about that - hopefully you can bust the hacker, and recover some or all of your costs (although you may have to litigate). How does the £2,000 break down? Cannot just be bandwidth costs. On my server, £2,000 would equate to over 2,600 Gb bandwidth.

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Dec 28, 2004, 6:00 PM

PimpMyRide

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Dec 28, 2004, 6:00 PM

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I would think it is unlikely to be a DDOS attack and more likely a DOS attack.

DDOS is when multiple systems attack a single target.

What did your logs show?

Like Dan, I too would be interested to know the reason for the cost. A DOS tends to just suck up bandwidth.

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Dec 29, 2004, 12:39 AM

Andy

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Dec 29, 2004, 12:39 AM

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Hi,

It was a DDOS attack :( Sucked up a LOT of bandwidth (and our old host wasn't so forgiving, and charged full rate for every GB!).

Still trying to filter this prat out now :(

Cheers

Andy (mod)
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Dec 29, 2004, 3:46 AM

PimpMyRide

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Dec 29, 2004, 3:46 AM

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If it was a DDOS attack, how can you pinpoint it to one specific ip?

Dec 29, 2004, 3:56 AM

Andy

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Dec 29, 2004, 3:56 AM

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That was his signup IP address :) (vBulliten logs this, for security reasons).

I've now added some more things into the vB script itself, so that it logs ALL visitors, and blocks anyone accessing too many pages in a small space of time.

Its a PITA ... but I'd rather show them a 1 liner, than let them waste all our bandwidth on images etc :|

Cheers

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Dec 29, 2004, 3:59 AM

PimpMyRide

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Dec 29, 2004, 3:59 AM

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That was his signup IP address :)

What I mean though is that how can you associate that IP address with the attack?.....DDOS attacks use many IP addresses, so how can you link them to him?

Dec 29, 2004, 4:14 AM

Andy

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Dec 29, 2004, 4:14 AM

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Simple... you write a script to go through the logs, and find the more productive IP addresses (i.e people who request a page more than 50 times every 10 minutes). Then, its a case of manually going through this list of IP's, doing a check on them... and then seeing which ones look most likely to be the culprit (I've already got several IP's, which requested over 100 pages in 5 mins .... mmm, I wonder <G>).

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Dec 29, 2004, 4:22 AM

PimpMyRide

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Dec 29, 2004, 4:22 AM

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i.e people who request a page more than 50 times every 10 minutes

That's a page every 12 seconds - probably don't want to do that otherwise you'll be suing all your visitors =)

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Then, its a case of manually going through this list of IP's, doing a check on them... and then seeing which ones look most likely to be the culprit

I'm still not sure I follow. I don't see how you are browsing through a list of IP's and linking them to one specific IP at a university?

Dec 29, 2004, 6:12 AM

Andy

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Dec 29, 2004, 6:12 AM

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That's a page every 12 seconds - probably don't want to do that otherwise you'll be suing all your visitors =)

True.. on a normal site ;) But only to the same page? ;) My tracking will work out if they are accessing the same page within a set amount of time (i.e 50 hits to the front page, within 15 minutes). Also, this site is a forum .... thus the average page viewing time is around 30seconds, up to 10-15 mins; varying in size Smile

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I'm still not sure I follow. I don't see how you are browsing through a list of IP's and linking them to one specific IP at a university?

I'm not linking it to one IP address. The one I gave in the above post, was his signup IP address. We've used this to track down to a specific area, and now we are just pinpointing his machine (with tracking methods), as well as blocking people coming through anon servers (hell, why should be even keep a free site open, if people are attacking it, and costing us money?). I can't really give any more details out though, just in case he visits this forum too =)

Cheers

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Dec 29, 2004, 7:07 AM

PimpMyRide

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Dec 29, 2004, 7:07 AM

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I think what's confusing the issue for me is the DDOS vs DOS issue.

If it is the same guy just using different IP's then it is still just a DOS attack. DDOS is concurrent attacks - the best example I can give is the Blaster worm targetting the Windows update website. That is thousands of computers all attacking a website at once to bring it down.

Dec 29, 2004, 7:12 AM

Andy

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Dec 29, 2004, 7:12 AM

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True ... maybe it is a DOS attack then (i just knew it as Denial Of Service, just guess the DD at the beginning stood for something else =)).

Either way, he is doing a Denial Of Service attack on our server Frown

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Dec 29, 2004, 7:27 AM

PimpMyRide

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Dec 29, 2004, 7:27 AM

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DOS => Denial of Service

DDOS => Distributed Denial of Service

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Dec 29, 2004, 7:28 AM

Andy

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Dec 29, 2004, 7:28 AM

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Ah... cheers. That'll stick in my head for years now <G>

Cheers

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Jan 6, 2005, 5:00 PM

HyperTherm

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Jan 6, 2005, 5:00 PM

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Hi.

Have you explored mod_dosevasive
Perhaps it could be helpful on curtailing http dos attacks and prevent that massive bandwidth hog.

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Here is the url to mod_dosevasive:
http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dosevasive/

Could also add to iptables:

DOSSystemCommand "iptables -I INPUT -s %s -j DROP"

or something of this sort. I have never really tried adding to apf but if you do and suceed do post your experiences.
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HyTC

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Jan 10, 2005, 7:23 AM

Andy

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Jan 10, 2005, 7:23 AM

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Hi,

Does anyone know of an online resource, which has a list of IP ranges for known anon-proxy servers in the world? Or am I just dreaming? =)

TIA

Andy (mod)
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Jan 10, 2005, 9:49 AM

Alex

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Jan 10, 2005, 9:49 AM

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Hi,

You need to subscribe for the full list, but here's one:

http://openproxies.com/

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Jan 10, 2005, 10:08 AM

Andy

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Jan 10, 2005, 10:08 AM

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Thanks. Signing up now :)

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Andy (mod)
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